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DEF CON 14-18 were years that Joe tried to challenge and one up himself.

Badge hacking contest – 20 people hacked the first time.

First electronic badge ran on a PIC10f202.

Before e-badges they had Laser cut, acrylic badge, liquid filled badge.

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Joe is friends with the Jeff Moss aka Dark Tangent for a long time through bulletin board systems.

Came with switch so he could turn it on and off. Built with circuit board from Radio Shack kit.

Joe’s first hardware hack he remembers was the Ring Busy Device – you can still use the phone, but if someone called, it would give a busy signal.

First online name was “black ninja” then went to fbi agent, astro zombie, autovon, the youth, before settling on Kingpin.

Joe first discovered the hacker world at 7 years old in 1982.

This what right around the time MacroFab was starting in 2013.

Parker and Joe met each other at the unofficial propeller expo in Sacramento.

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